Lou Gramm Interview: The Backstory Behind Foreigner's Rock and Roll Hall of Fame Snub and His Days as a "Juke Box Hero"
Written by Melissa Parker, Posted in Authors
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Best known for many years as the lead vocalist of the iconic rock band Foreigner, Lou Gramm (born Louis Andrew Grammatico on May 2, 1950) also co-wrote with guitarist and record producer Mick Jones such hits as “I Want to Know What Love Is,” “Double Vision,” “Head Games,” “Hot Blooded,” “Juke Box Hero,” “Say You Will” and “That Was Yesterday.”
Gramm also had a successful solo career with the critically acclaimed album Ready or Not, and in 2009, the Lou Gramm Band released their self-titled album of Christian Rock. The music legend was diagnosed in April 1997 with a rare type of brain tumor called a craniopharyngioma and was told that it was inoperable. Miraculously, Gramm found a doctor in Boston who performed laser surgery on these types of tumors, and the procedure saved his life.
“The last words spoken by the chairperson were, ‘If it were up to me, Foreigner would never be inducted.’ And, so far, we never have. I’m not sure what prompted this meeting. The two of them probably should have just left it alone until it happened, but since they made such a big deal of it, you can be sure we’ll never be a part of that now.”
Now his rise to international stardom in the 1970s and 1980s from working class roots in Rochester, New York, and his life in the music industry with all the trappings of fame including faith to overcome his addictions are documented in Gramm’s new autobiography, Juke Box Hero: My Five Decades in Rock ‘n’ Roll.
Melissa Parker (Smashing Interviews Magazine): Lou, it’s a pleasure to speak with you again. Do you remember when we talked back in 2009?
Lou Gramm: Of course, I do.
Melissa Parker (Smashing Interviews Magazine): Well, that resulted in a fairly famous interview garnering several million reads with the story of how Mick (Jones) tried to cheat you out of royalties for the song, “I Want to Know What Love Is.” By the way, thanks for sourcing our magazine in your book.
Lou Gramm: Oh, my pleasure and great to talk to you again.
Melissa Parker (Smashing Interviews Magazine): When you and Mick co-wrote songs, why was it sometimes one-sided on his part as far as splitting the pie equally?
Lou Gramm: I think that when the band first started, there was much more give and take between Mick and myself. When we co-wrote a song, we actually co-wrote it, and we each had input. As time went by, he seemed to want to more or less set the course exactly where each song should go and how it should end up. He co-produced most of the albums. It used to be that the content of the song as we created it had both of our personalities in it, but as time went on, he wanted to dominate that end of the creative process also.
Melissa Parker (Smashing Interviews Magazine): Was “White Lie” one of the last songs you two wrote together?
Lou Gramm: Yes.
Melissa Parker (Smashing Interviews Magazine): You both wrote the words?
Lou Gramm: We both had input on numerous parts of the song.
Melissa Parker (Smashing Interviews Magazine): Congratulations on being inducted into the Rochester Music Hall of Fame. I know that has special meaning to you because that’s where it all began. That’s when you aspired to be a juke box hero.
Lou Gramm: (laughs) Yes.
Melissa Parker (Smashing Interviews Magazine): That’s also great about you and Mick being inducted into the Songwriter Hall of Fame this summer. When you called to congratulate him after a silence between you two that spanned 10 years, were you nervous?
Lou Gramm: I was nervous making the call and started to break the ice, but his responses were very warm and friendly, and I think we started off on the right foot again.
Melissa Parker (Smashing Interviews Magazine): Since you’re performing a couple of songs together, will there be rehearsals?
Lou Gramm: Yeah, we will be rehearsing at least the day before the show.
Melissa Parker (Smashing Interviews Magazine): Would you like to clear the air with him at that time?
Lou Gramm: I’ll feel that one out because I wouldn’t want to try and clear things up and then end up making it worse. I would use my better judgment on that and just wait. If the moment was right, maybe I’ll say something.
Melissa Parker (Smashing Interviews Magazine): Mick has recently suffered some health issues.
Lou Gramm: He had a throat tumor, and I believe he had a heart bypass. Those are very serious things.
Melissa Parker (Smashing Interviews Magazine): Yes, they are. I truly enjoyed the book.
Lou Gramm: Thank you.
Melissa Parker (Smashing Interviews Magazine): What prompted you to tell your story now?
Lou Gramm: I’d been thinking about it for a few years, and I wasn’t sure that I had an interesting enough story, but after talking to my co-writer Scott Pitoniak who’s a sports writer, he assured me that there were enough interesting stories and anecdotes, and that it was a good premise for a book. So we began.
Melissa Parker (Smashing Interviews Magazine): The book mostly recounts the music and your days with Black Sheep and Foreigner, but no “sexcapades,” which is unusual for a memoir. Would you like to tell me one of those stories now?
Lou Gramm: You know what, Melissa, I have to leave something for the movie (laughs). And, I’m only being funny saying that. No movie in the works. But I better not. What’s funny to me may rile somebody else up, so I think I’ll let sleeping dogs lie as they say.
Melissa Parker (Smashing Interviews Magazine): Lou, what was the very first thing you thought of when you were given the death sentence after the tumor diagnosis?
Lou Gramm: I felt I needed to get deep into prayer.
Melissa Parker (Smashing Interviews Magazine): No bucket list?
Lou Gramm: I honestly couldn’t think of one at the time, and there was nobody I had to necessarily make amends to or repair a relationship with. It was mostly work on my own soul, you know?
Melissa Parker (Smashing Interviews Magazine): Of course. The album Head Games was banned in Boston …
Lou Gramm: And a whole slew of stations in the Bible Belt.
Melissa Parker (Smashing Interviews Magazine): Was it for the song “Seventeen?”
Lou Gramm: It was actually more for “Dirty White Boy.” They felt it was racist, and then they thought the Head Games album cover was way over the line of good taste.
Melissa Parker (Smashing Interviews Magazine): What was the inspiration behind “Woman in Black?”
Lou Gramm: Mick is the one who initiated the song, and he told me that it was inspired by a Bette Davis movie. I couldn’t tell you which one, but it was one of the films where she played a real dark character.
Melissa Parker (Smashing Interviews Magazine): Have you had any contact with Mutt Lange since the album 4?
Lou Gramm: I have actually had no contact with Mutt Lange. He’s a pretty private person even when we were doing the album. I think he’s just one of those guys that does his work and rides off into the sunset.
Melissa Parker (Smashing Interviews Magazine): I don’t believe you mentioned your younger brother, Richard, in the book. I know there were conflicts. Have the two of you reconciled?
Lou Gramm: No … nope. We have not reconciled, and I don’t see that happening in the near future.
Melissa Parker (Smashing Interviews Magazine): That’s a shame.
Lou Gramm: It’s a real shame. My poor parents passed away in 2003. They would be rolling over in their graves if they knew about his comeuppances.
Melissa Parker (Smashing Interviews Magazine): You asserted that Richard stole money from you, correct?
Lou Gramm: Yes, on one of the tours in Europe that I did. It was just me singing with an orchestra, and I asked him to come along. It was just an unbelievable nightmare. He sued me. I didn’t sue him. I fired him from the band, and he put a lawsuit against me.
Melissa Parker (Smashing Interviews Magazine): What was the outcome?
Lou Gramm: He actually won (laughs).
Melissa Parker (Smashing Interviews Magazine): Looking back now on your entire music career, would you go back and change anything if you had the chance?
Lou Gramm: That’s an interesting question. I don’t know. I think if I could change anything, I would be a little smarter with my health and would try to stay clear of some bad habits instead of succumbing to them.
Melissa Parker (Smashing Interviews Magazine): Would you have healed quicker if you hadn’t gone back on tour with Foreigner a few months after the brain surgery?
Lou Gramm: Yes.
Melissa Parker (Smashing Interviews Magazine): Are you currently on tour?
Lou Gramm: My band plays weekends. We’ll go out on a Friday, Saturday and Sunday. We do have some shows booked, but we have a couple of weeks off.
Melissa Parker (Smashing Interviews Magazine): Do you sing Foreigner songs?
Lou Gramm: Maybe an old Beatles song, too.
Melissa Parker (Smashing Interviews Magazine): Since Mick owns the trademark of Foreigner, has he ever said anything negative to you about performing those songs?
Lou Gramm: No, he’s never said anything about that. But when I would be working, and the promoters of the show would bill the show as “Lou Gramm of Foreigner,” Mick did send a “cease and desist” from his attorneys and made sure they told me I had to advertise it a different way because I’m not “of Foreigner” anymore.
It had to be “Formerly of Foreigner” or some little petty thing like that. So he sent a “cease and desist” from his attorneys that I had to change the way I was advertising myself or suffer a lawsuit from him. That was about 7 or 8 years ago.
Melissa Parker (Smashing Interviews Magazine): Why isn’t Foreigner in the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame?
Lou Gramm: This is what I’ve heard. At a time when some of our peers were being inducted, and for some reason we were not, I heard that Mick and Foreigner’s manager went to the Hall and spoke to the chairperson there to find out why we hadn’t been nominated or inducted. I guess they got into a heated argument.
The last words spoken by the chairperson were, “If it were up to me, Foreigner would never be inducted.” And, so far, we never have. I’m not sure what prompted this meeting. The two of them probably should have just left it alone until it happened, but since they made such a big deal of it, you can be sure we’ll never be a part of that now.
Melissa Parker (Smashing Interviews Magazine): When we last spoke, Lou, you told me that you had developed diabetes and sleep apnea. How is your health now?
Lou Gramm: Obviously I still have both of those, but it’s under control, and I’m feeling good. I’ve lost about 65 pounds, and I’m working out 4 days a week with a trainer. I’m on a pretty rigid diet, and I feel great.
Melissa Parker (Smashing Interviews Magazine): Glad to hear that. Is it still day-to-day for you fighting the addiction?
Lou Gramm: No, it’s not. I try and put myself out of the way of temptation, but I can honestly say I don’t even think about it anymore. I’ve crossed those old times, you know? I don’t crave those things anymore.
Melissa Parker (Smashing Interviews Magazine): Are your twins, Natalie and Joe, still interested in music?
Lou Gramm: They certainly are and in sports, too. Natalie was on the junior varsity volleyball team, and Joe was the quarterback of the varsity football team. They’re both doing good. Joe and I officially measured our height about 3 weeks ago, and he’s taller than me by about a half an inch. That was a huge victory for him (laughs).
Melissa Parker (Smashing Interviews Magazine): Last question, Lou. How do you think audiences react today when they see a group called Foreigner that is basically unrecognizable?
Lou Gramm: I think there’s probably like a turnover in audiences, and they may be watching the new Foreigner and see nothing particularly wrong with that and think that those were the people that actually made those records. I think at a certain age, many people stop going to concerts, so maybe our original true fans who know the difference … it doesn’t mean anything to them anymore. They don’t go to concerts. The younger people that go to concerts don’t know the difference and don’t care.
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Foreigner is in a similar boat to Journey; had a great amount of commercial success and produced some anthem tracks, but they’re not really highly respected as artists/musical entities.
However, for some acts, it’s just a matter of time. Look at Neil Diamond- took 22 years after his eligibility. For me, it’s the amount of time, from date of eligibility, it takes for an act to get in that’s really notable.
JR true about the parallel with Journey. But there is great differences too. I don’t know why we are all so eager to compare the two bands. They were total different genre. Lou is saying concert goers are all young and nieve so that is the reason Foreigner is still going strong. That is what I disagree with. Where is he getting this stuff? AND I am adding this as an after thought, Lou doesn’t like that Mick sent to Lou a C&D legal letter, well, Lou has sent to many concert goers that same letter for voicing their comments. He is not above Mick or the band. Not only that in this article Lou claims his playlist includes some Beatles tunes. HE never played one Beatles tune since I have seen his band the many times since 2006. He would come on stage and say he was going to and then he did not. I was always frustrated because I felt lied too, and felt I did not get my monies worth at those show. Why even say it then?
Maybe that is why Lou’s band is still not going strong, he did not deliver what LOU states he will sing at the shows in front of the concert goers! Imagine?
Now this is corrupted information from Lou. The interviewer asked pretty good questions. I take offense to the last comment from Lou about concert goers. That is a total age discriminating comment!!! Only the younger fans of Foreinger go to concerts now and those people are not able to recognize what Foreinger WAS really like. I HAVE INFORMATION FOR YOU anyone going to a concert of any age goes for the songs they like now or still. They do not go to see the people in the Foreinger band, because they are not famous solo acts as Lou thinks he was. They are and were a band FIRST always. Kelly Hanson is the only person who has come close to being famous for his own namesake, and it is not because he writes/co wrote the music. He has the LOOK that people want to see and even without more talent I beleive Kelly could go out on his own because of his star like qualities. Also Kelly is dedicated and LOYAL and TRUE to his band and a great team player. UNLIKE what Lou has admitted here. This is offensive even if LOU thinks it is not. Lou doesn’t always seem to GET or be INTOUCH with what others are really thinking and wanting. He is out of touch and the obsolete relic not the concert goers! Get off the bad attitude towards those beneath your grandious self. We concert goers still give you royalies and we are not YOUNG and we have heard “your attempts since the 70’s” ! We are not ignorant and I take offense that you would think that! Nice going Lou.
You’re clueless. Kelly Hanson or Foreigner wouldn’t be where they are today without Lou. In fact, Kelly’s other band where the Hurricanes. I wouldn’t let that band open for a high school band
This was a great article and as we all know a crazy person is on here getting paranoid over every comment Lou makes. I am offended by the “woman scorned” comments Jo is making. She has repeatedly stated that when she was married to her first husband she slept with a bandmate of Lou’s and that bandmate ended the relationship with her after one night. This is no reflection on Lou and he should not be taking the brunt of her anger. She even repeatedly admits she has never met Lou. This may have been one of many reasons her first marriage did not last but the marriage of the bandmate of Lou’s is going strong. This information should not be here but I wanted to explain her crazy and paranoid behavior for what little I know about her and I hope she doesn’t share anymore of her sick life. Lou and Mike are getting back together and I hope they can be happy knowing so many have enjoyed their music. God Bless !!!
Lou and Mick are getting back together. Yeah !!!
Jan you crazy Witch. My first marriage ending had nothing to do with Lou or a band mate. WTF are you talking about? LOL. You must be related to Lou to make up these lies or to be referring to Don Mancuso whose WIFE ANNE stalked me through LGB’s email list and called me at home stating someone hacked me. LIES. Then she sent me and my HUSBAND Steve at our home an email that Don sent me to hussle ME! NOT visa versa. That bandmate hussles alot of women. And I could name them all. But I will protect the women NOT Don Mancuso. Also after my daughter and I visited with Don and Brian (sound man) in Mpls show with Sammy Hagar, I learned what Don did in Canada the night before and after that I found him disgusting. He was not my friend any longer.
JAN you crazy witch, I divorced my first husband in 1984 you dumb witch.How did that apply to Lou in 2009 with a band member??? You are so very wrong.
You are fishing for more lies so no one will like me and not listen to me becasue I am doing this to Lou because Don and ANNE harrassed ME. So that explaination is incorrect JAN the Witch.
It amazes me I have never met you, nor ever talked with or texted or email or friended anyone name JAN. You are a fake. I am not paranoid or crazy and you are no doctor to diagnois me.
You disgust me that you have to be hidden Robyn so no one will blame you or Lou for bashing fans. And you do. And then you find something wrong with that persons life. Woopie Jan. Go figure out why you put so much attention on a musican that you are not married to or related too? Why would you let anyone have that much power over you especially if you are just a fan? You need to examine that about yourself and not me. Go listen to the music and just enjoy it Jan yourself. Isn’t that your phrase for Shut the hell up? I got your number witch Jan.
Hilarious that you mentioned a year (2009) . No one said anything about 2009. So now we all know when the deed was done. It’s now 2013 and you are still hanging on to this? Unbelievable, talk about fatal attraction!
Please be advised that the Mancuso’s are divorced. Separated about the time of this comment. Lives with his parents and sulks often on his facebook page. Check it out. I just had to come on here to show you I was right.
How many times has Lou been married and divorced Jan????? And the mancusos have been married 30 not happily but whoopie. I guess Lou is just like me divorced and that make him paranoid and crazy too? What planet did you come from Jan to think that divorce is terrible and not really the answer to a bad situation? Oh and this is my third marriage too like Lou…oh ummmmmm! I bet you have had issues Jan why don’t you tell us about yours. Like maybe you have been married for like 59 days? and the divorced or annulled.
come on women Jan back off pitbull.
To Jan: I just googled my name and my nickname and NO WHERE are there blogs from here to China about me and any bandmember of Lou Gramms. My name comes up alot but they are not me. So send me the blog
AT LONG LAST, WE CAN SET THE RECORD STRAIGHT
About three years ago you may have noticed that I suddenly seperated from the Lou
Gramm Band. You may have heard certain disgusting and untrue allegations about me at
that time. Unbelievably, the source of those allegations was none other than my brother,
Lou Gramm (Grammatico).
In May of 2010, I sued Lou, because:
(1) He had borrowed $56,082.74 interest-free from me and was refusing to pay it back; and
(2) He refused to pay me for work I had completed to advance his career; and
(3) Worst of all, Lou was publicly making untrue statements about my honesty and character.
The legal Complaint and the Court’s Decision after Trial can be viewed in full at: http://www.monroecounty.gov. A concise summary of the outcome is as follows.
(1) The Complaint in the lawsuit stated that I “…provided a loan of $56,082.74” to Lou,
and that he “…refused to repay the money.” Lou denied this in his answering documents.
After he was forced to testify at a deposition under oath, Lou repaid the $56,082.74 in full.
(2) Regarding the unpaid wages, the lawsuit said:
“…there were 18 LGB performances that had been booked” by me, but Lou dismissed
me from the group and paid me “nothing” for my work. Lou denied this in his answering
documents, too.
The Court’s Decision after Trial stated:
“Richard is entitled to $4,500 for the shows he scheduled for the Lou Gramm Band
that occurred after his termination.”
(3) Regarding Lou’s negative statements about my honesty and character, the lawsuit
stated:
Lou “told many persons” that I was stealing from him”, and that those “untrue,
defamatory and slanderous statements” about me are now widespread”. Lou Denied this,
as well.
The court’s Decision stated:
“Louis had no basis to express…that Richard ‘”has stolen in excess of $100,000 ‘”
“…the court finds that Richard has been damaged in the amount of $25,000.00.”
As a result of this legal action, Lou has now paid me $85,582.74 plus court fees.
As you would expect, I’ve gone through a very difficult time as a result of this. I think it
is important to set the record straight.
Richard Grammatico
Thank you Richard for standing up to the lies Lou has spread.
Takes guts to stand up to Lou and Robyn who in unision are trying to turn back the hands of time.
Robyn wishes Lou was still in his glory days and don’t we all.
Richard I wish you and Jean and the girls a great weekend.
While I understand you’d like to “clear the air” here, it may be inappropriate to air this dirty laundry to social media. I’m sorry for your loss, whatever that encompasses, but please reconsider what social media is for, and the unnecessary info that the world doesn’t need to know. Just sayin’…
Stop whining. You wouldnt be nothing without your brother. You’re an embarrassment to your family and Rochester, NY
Shameful and Shameless Lou.
Crazy Jo and Richard. I do not know Lou Gramm or his wife or anything you both have just repeated. I only know about Jo sleeping with a band mate because SHE said so in a blog I read. I only know that you Richard won a court case because Lou said so which is in line with what you have said here. Nobody is spreading lies about either of you from where I am at. All I see is your JEALOUSLY because I congratulated someone you don’t like. Richard I hope you and your brother can work things out. My family talks about each other as well. THAT IS FAMILY !!! Lou had the luck of the draw and became the celebrity and you need to recognize the gifts in your life such as a wonderful wife, I hear. Nobody is putting you down Richard but I am aware of Lou Gramm and not so much of Richard Gramm. I just want to admire a musician without everyone telling me their Boo Hoo stories. You need to call a friend for that. I am open to hear musical work that you have done Richard as long as you understand that I admire Lou Gramm and understand the health issues he has had. If you talk to my family they can tell you negative things about me and I can tell you negative about them. I shrug my shoulders and am trying to pay my bills like everyone else. The anger is what you need to work on so that I and other fans can congratulate your brother without you feeling you are less. God Bless and I mean with sincerity I will pray for your situation. Jo – PLEASE SEE A PROFESSIONAL THERAPIST.
Jan ditto to your request….YOU GO SEE A THERAPIST. A person who believes a blog needs one. If YOU read it in a blog I guess that makes it official. And my question to you is “did you write that blog about me Jan and post it somewhere?” I think you have the mentality to do that and then use it here to try to derail me because I don’t think Lou was complimentary enough to fans in this article. And he wasn’t. And I still say I believe he was discriminating both young and old fans. If you were a smart person, you would tell Lou that he needs to reword the way he said that because he probably didn’t mean it to sound that way. And tell the rewrite to make it reasonably understandable. That is what professionals do. And I noticed it and I should get kudos and I should get a thank you, I wasn’t meaning it that way and I wanted it to mean ………whatever he meant. The way it is now he sounds biased. Lou’s manager SHOULD be able to dodge those little discreptancies without a blink of an eye or a slander of a fan.
Jan I’m a little confused on your place in this situation. I understand that you admire and appreciate Lou. But you said that you don’t know him or his wife. You also stated that you don’t know Jo. So if I may ask why are you reading her blogs? And how do you know that Lou and his wife are not spreading lies? Jo actually knows them personally so she is aware of these lies as well as other behavior. So she has a place to speak. As far as Lou being the celebrity that doesn’t give him a right to spread these lies about people. The word celebrity is just a word that happens to be pinned to Lou for his work with Mick and the rest of Foreigner. Even Lou has come to the realization that without Mick Jones he is nothing. Richard has proven to be a very talented musician in his own right. If you get a chance you should Google his name and check out his current bands. I really think you’ll like what you hear.
Abby, Her blogs are on the Lou Gramm website. Anything that I have repeated she has put on his site. If she wanted her personal matter with Lou Gramm’s bandmate to remain personal then why did she put it on a website so that anyone from here to China could read? Lou and his wife spreading lies are not being done on the Lou Gramm website. It is only about Lou’s career so if they are spreading lies personally and Jo knows them personally can it be kept personal and not on a website for anyone from here to China to read where we see Jo’s rants but no one elses such as above. I understand that the whole family are great musicians but do I have to know about the whole familes issues when I am congratulating the one family member who is a celebrity. It seems to me that you are in denial of the fact that Lou is a celebrity. I don’t understand what you are saying that “Jo has a place to speak”. Are you saying that no one else does? I don’t understand where YOUR place is in all this Abbey but if you have another I am a “victim” of Lou Gramm please don’t tell me. My parents raised me that only YOU make you a victim. I never said that Lou got to where he is on his own so your comment about Mick Jones does not make sense. All I stated was the fact that if you google Mick Jones you will not see anything about a “successful” solo career. I tried it before I commented yesterday because the article stated the Mick Jones had a successful solo career with the album “Ready or Not”. I explained to Melissa that I have the album “Ready or Not” and it is by Lou Gramm. Melissa then corrected that error since she wrote that. If you want to know who I am, I am someone who is tired of the hate. Everything that Jo, Richard and anyone else has said about Lou, should be water under the bridge by now and let the rest of us congratulate Lou for his success. Jo jumped on the thread and she should not have as she has stated.
This discussion has gotten way too long and rediculous. So I will just answer your questions the best I know how. I don’t explain others but I know that Jo wants others to know the hurt this band has caused her. It isn’t in retaliation against them or anything out of malice. It’s to protect other fans from getting hurt like she’s been. Jo and I have been friends for a long time. She watched me grow up so what hurts her also hurts me. Maybe I shouldn’t stick my nose in other people’s business but it’s hard not to when it comes to a friend you care deeply about. Not to mention the own treatment I received from Lou’s Facebook fan club. I was removed just for mentioning my job. Another friend was removed at the same time for engaging in that conversation with me. I get that Lou was a celebrity. The key word being was. Mick is still with Foreigner and they’re still going strong. But even with the so called title of being a current celebrity Mick doesn’t act like he’s above others and he certainly doesn’t bash Lou. Lou called Mick out of desperation because he knows his career is gone. It’s sad it really is. Lou was great in his hay day. But as the song says that was yesterday. His brother Richard is very well known in the music scene. I hope this answers all your questions.
Jan is such a hypocrite. She says she’s tired of the hate yet she is the first one to try and discredit people by talking nonsense about their personal lives. If you re-read her previous comments she calls Richard and Jo “crazy”. Richard merely set the record straight to Lou Gramm’s answers to Melissa’s questions about his relationship with Richard. Clearly, from the Monroe County Court records that Richard quotes, Lou Gramm is a LIAR and not a very nice person. Who would accuse their own flesh and blood of stealing and spreading those ugly rumors without justification and what’s worse Gramm still believes his own lies even after the court ruled in Richard’s favor! Who gives a crap that he’s a famous person, so was Adolph Hitler. Jan implies that Richard is JEALOUS, lol! Who in their right mind would be jealous of a lying, self-righteous, egotistical, opportunistic, ungrateful person?
Tina you nailed it! Thank you.
Good God, is this M. Jost person serious?! I believe this is the same idiot that is on a Lou Gramm Band page on Facebook that I had subscribed to. She goes on and on. A few of them do but this M. Jost is the most severe. I have seen her rants and admissions about the band member. It’s probably not true and just something she dreamt up. I think she is beyond the point of a therapist. A padded cell is more like it. What a F€$@ing NUT CASE!
Lou Gramm has a career that spans three decades. He has inspired many vocalists around the world. As a fan I am inspired but that is it. He owes me NOTHING as a fan! Sorry that this crazy person is so disgruntled. Go listen to someone else then. Jesus, Lou owes you nothing!
Sincerely,
Joe A.
Joe A. is yet another example of a fake profile created by one of the band’s women. They call Lou’s fans/ex-fans crazy and diagnose them with mental disorders when they don’t even have a psychology degree. I know M. Jost personally and I can assure you that she is not crazy at all. Disappointed? Yes. Angry about the treatment she received? Absolutely. I’ve seen with my own eyes the way they treat her and it’s disgusting. And it’s sad that Lou who was once so successful with Foreigner but got to be old hat. His career is over but Foreigner is still drawing in the crowds. I think it’s time that Lou and his band and their women grow up and act their age instead of like little babies who can’t take responsibility for their own actions.
Yes Lou Gramm has no gratitude, he is a very ungrateful person as Joe A. puts it, but Lou does owe a lot to his fans after all if it weren’t for the fans he would not be receiving any awards or royalties! he owes all the fans who buy his CDs, tour t-shirts and concert tickets. M. Jost was a fan who was treated very poorly by Lou’s wife, I too was treated poorly by Lou’s wife for being a friend to Lou’s brother Richard and so were many other fans treated poorly by Lou’s wife for one reason or another, if Lou Gramm had any gratitude he should have put a stop to this and BTW I am blocked from all the FB Lou Gramm pages that Lou and his wife run and perhaps Joe A. could tell me what I did to deserve it?
And a interesting fact is “that both Joe A. and Lou’s wife use a number of fake profiles to police FB sites by posting nasty comments to fans. and another ungrateful thing Lou did was to “A woman that used to run a Myspace for him” mine you she did it for free! anyhow she spent a lot of her own free time working very hard to promote him and to build the fan base and Lou even met her a few times and was happy with the myspace profile anyway when Lou’s woman came into the picture they kicked her off the site and Lou Gramm made a youtube video saying that “he was violated” and that he “did not know that she was running the site for him . This is only part of it but it’s late and I’m tired and need some tea.
Any how I am very grateful to have Richard as a friend and I would not trade it to be a fan of Lou gramm!
I am embarrassed for Lou right now. I know that there is no Joe A. on the sites he supposedly is viewing all these falsehoods about me. I will not apologize for thinking that Lou’s concert goers comments should be restated. But I will apologize for all Jan and Joe coming on here thinking they need to put me in my place?? I am not the topic, and I should not be. Lou should be. So I don’t regard anything they say here as nothing but drama and gossip. And I am ashamed of them insulting Lou;s page like that just to show their power over me. Sorry about that. I think they are not very good fans to do that to Lou. Questioning a comment should bring out such hatred. I really think Jan and Joe are one of the fake sites of Lou’s wife and Andy Knolls girl friend who have continued to bad mouth and insult Lou’s fans just as they have here. They think they are helping but they are looking bitter and making Lou look irrelivant in his own interview.
It also makes Lou’s fans look like they condemn and judge others. Not a fun bunch of people. Exactly what Denise said.
I too have become an unfortunate victim in the Lou Gramm Fan Club on Facebook. I posted a picture of Lou, his wife Robyn and his four children at the Songwriters Hall of Fame event. I also posted a comment saying that I was sure that the event was extra special for Lou because his four children and lovely wife were there with him to celebrate a well deserved award. Well, within an hour or two I could no longer get into the fan club page. Obviously I was blocked. The picture and comment was in no way meant to harm or insult Lou Gramm, his wife, or children. It was well intended and complimentary. If I offended anyone I sincerely apologize.
This is really funny. Probably the most bizarre comments I have ever seen under an article. I feel for the author of the interview. A lot of paranoia in our world today. You can not even escape it through music. The one directly above is leaving me puzzled but I’m not even going to try to figure that mess out. Fake profiles? Being blocked? I am ungrateful? You do not know me. I responded to the mess that I have seen and how people view it. Guess what? You are putting this in a public forum. Do you think people are not noticing? Do you understand how many people Lou Gramm has influenced? Do you realize how F$#KING NUTS it looks to people? Apparently not, and when it is repeated from one place to another that puts it into another realm. I saw the other stuff probably over a year ago , it stuck in my mind because it was so off, and was surprised to see it here.
There are voices that are very influential. Lou Gramm is one of them. What is written under this article does not change my mind and I doubt it will change anyone else’s. Who cares if you were blocked. Judging from the comments above it seems warrented. It’s just social networking sites. There is much more to life going on beyond that. At least there should be. But within those sites, depending on what you write, you can make yourself appear to be out of touch with reality. Bad behavior tends to be blocked. That is why that option exists on social networking sites.
We live in strange and curious times with the Internet bringing negativity that would otherwise not be seen right into our living rooms. Some people should take a step back and reevaluate their behavior. I wonder if they would behave in this manner without their keyboards.
Bringing it back to the interview, very well done. It is unfortunate that some do not know how what on-line etiquette is.
Sincerely,
Joe A.
Joe A. You must think you need to have the last word……go ahead. I don’t care. You made a mountain out of a mole hill anyway.
Joe A. you say you don’t know M. Jost so your diagnosing her as being crazy is invalid. She is not making these things up. I have literally been to her house and seen some of these things on her computer. Yes she was very upset when she showed me. Anyone in their right mind would be.
Wow.
Who said anything about diagnosing anyone. . I am just going by the comments that get more bizzare with each comment. And the other stuff, WHAT? Where the hell did that come from?
Actually I really do not have to say anymore. You have proven my point.
Wow
And you have proven ours. Thanks for playing along. Melissa I hope this thread has given you some more material to work with. I’d love to see you write an article about Lou’s band and their women with the way they treat people. It’s disgusting how they even disrespected you on here. I look forward to more articles from you.
What the hell are you talking about? Jesus. Seek help quickly. Good luck with that.
Sincerely,
Joe A.
Joe A. the part that was addressed to you is pretty clear. The part that was addressed to Melissa doesn’t need to be explained to you. If she has any questions I’d be happy to answer them for her.
Okay-chuckling-good luck with that.
Sincerely,
Joe A.
Joe A. you have misunderstood what is being said. I said that Lou could have restated his comments about concert goers with a dotted line used to continue on with my thoughts on what he could have said. And I am restating how I could have said that better so you understood that. Just as I think Lou could have. Also that comment has offended many. Lou could have said (like his article said) He is sometimes misunderstood when he is kidding around and then come in with how his comment about concerts goers was like that. And that would be an easy way to make Lous comments nicer for all to read. Simple as that. I am not complaining that the whole article needs fixed. But maybe Richard is also saying that Lou did not tell the truth. And I am not mad (Thanks Abby for trying to help) I just think that some people will be and that Lou is not fan friendly. Lou never has been known for that and then he writes a book, with the name of a song that is about a fan. I don’t know if you Joe A, can put that together and understand where I am coming from because you seem to misunderstand alot that is being said here. And with the Comment that Abby said about diagnoising, that was about you calling people (me and Richard) names for example “crazy”. So you don’t understand that either. I would say it is above your understanding and that is that. I am only commenting on Lou’s article not other people like Jan and Joe A. This article is not about me. Please respect Lou enough to keep it to his words here in the article. If you can’t understand Abby will kindly try to help. Lou please think about restating the comment about concert goers. If not and you think it is not offensive then okay. We disagree and I hope alot of fans don’t see it that way but if I do I am sure others will too.
Lou was spot on — I am older and my concert days are over. And most of the younger ones don’t know if he or Kelly Hansen was the original lead singer. They weren’t around at that time. Quit crucifying Lou for giving his opinion.
I forgot to add that comment of hatred of Joe A. ‘s stating that Lou doesn’t owe me. Well I went to the most of the Lou Gramm Band shows I could between 2006-2011. For five years my family and I went to them and we were greeting by his band alot. But not Lou. And Andy Knoll whom I have met was always badmouthing other fans as well as Bob Golino (Lou’s stage manager). I was hearing many things about fans that I never ever saw at a show but I believed that they were. I didn’t get into it because I did not know these people. Don Mancuso was the only person who did not treat fans with bad gossip. He was nice for his own reasons. I hear here from Jan and Joe A. the same type of comments about fans that I heard straight from Andy Knolls mouth, who by the way, mocked Don Mancuso’s son to me at one of the shows in San Diego area. I don’t hold Lou personally accountable for those peoples thoughts or actions. I do however feel he is their boss and if I report this he should take action. The only action I have gotten from Lou’s management is negative comments about me. So? Whatever. As you see with the comments. And this should be something Lou should be looking into also. But back to the owing me comments. I felt I have paid alot of money to see Lou and his band. I did not feel most of the shows were worth my money. But I believed one day that something would come back. I could ask for my money back but I am sure I would be only brushed away with slanderous comments like here. But I will comment that the offical facebook site of Lou’s, also will not let videos of most of those years that I went to under par shows be shown on that site. In fact they are taken off when a fan has posted them. So I guess from the actions of the official site “they agree with me” that his shows were not representative of what even Lou’s offical site as worthy of the money I spent to see them. I am sorry to continue to post these comments. I have nothing else to say. I wish that these people Joe A. and Jan would just stop pushing the issue and just stick to the subject and realize that they are not helping Lou at all and that maybe there really is a hornets nest that they can’t fix here online.
You are really making an ass of yourself. My word.
Joe A. you have that down to an “art.”
Very funny that Lou Gramm’s wife is using to fake names “Jan and Joe A.” why don’t you use your real name “Robyn” to post comments? we know who you are! you are not fooling anyone and you didn’t even read my comment correct!
My boyfriend’s nerdy little brother actually traced Jan to Lou’s wife and Joe A. to Andy’s girlfriend.
Good Lord.
You are incorrect Abby. To be honest I can care less who you think I am or who you think I am not. This thread just keeps getting more bizarre. I will say that if the people you have mentioned above have commented on your behaviour and other people such as Jan or me have commented, you may want to look at your actions.
Good luck with that. I wish you healthy thinking. From the looks of the above thread it looks as though these comments will not end. I will be stepping out of this thread now as it is going no where, has nothing to do with the above article, and, as I mentioned, is getting increasingly more bizarre.
Sincerely Joe A.
Might as well Pamela… I mean Joe A. You keep saying the same thing over and over. It’s rediculous anyway how you keep lying about who you are even after being caught. Bye.
Lou Gramm is one of – if not The greatest singers this world has seen! – and I am not usually a fan of *rock* – His voice was/is a thing of pure beauty. It just pierces and touches the soul!
One thing I noticed is that for Rock groups – or any group or band to remain on top, The FRONT MAN HAS To BE THE FRONT MAN! – Foreigner has an Excellent Front Man in Lou Gramm! … However, the (owner, part-owner, main songwriter, producer) guy (MICK) who should have been a lil in the foreground – tried to be Front Man as well!
I like Mick Jones. But I have Never seen anything like it!… On videos, in concerts etc, Mick always tried to be the focal point of the act-smh! – Yes, he wrote or co-wrote some beautiful, powerful songs … But it was that Soulful, Piercing, Passionate singing of LOU GRAMM that Made these songs!
I’m seeing and hearing A-rated singers trying to sing “I Want To Know” and they Always messes it up. Lou Gramm Owns that song! – Even after all these years and all of his health scares, Lou STILL out-sings them All. – Lou Gramm’s life and talent is a testament to the Glory and Grace of GOD!
As far as Lou and his brother is concerned, there will always be 2 or 3 sides to that story – and we on the outside will Never know what transpired. It is an example of why it is so often, difficult to do business with close family members. However, I do hope that these two Brothers will put it all aside and run TO each other. Brothers Need each other.
For someone who is not a fan of rock you sure do think you know Mick Jones and have definite comments on front men. And even if there are two sides to a story one is the victum and one is the perpatrator. 🙂
I used to like the way Lou sang for Foreinger too.
I have seen many sing that song and I know others who could sing it as well.
I think everyone brings alittle of themselves to a song.
I will not be patronizing him however because his current songlist is not at all the same as his past with Mick.
Mick and Lou should be proud of the past. But Mick is the only one making the present in musical history. Lou has dropped his quality and polish for whatever reason. And there is enough video out there to show that. And his lacking schedules without tour dates. Which I think is sad.
If you only look at his current and present accomplishments and then add his past your apt to feel sorry for Lou.
But fans are also going to see the current Foreinger and that band is amazing. They have evolved to current status without Lou. Sadly.
Lou’s management NOW is hurting him badly. And his flub up comments that he has contradicted himself with. And his constant bickering with people weather they be fans or not. That does hurt him.
Doesn’t matter how many kudos he had in the past when he has not corrected that. And his manager just wants to fan bash and blame others then make fake sites to manipulate fans to believe the sugar coated comments. So Sad for Lou.
I truly think he deserves better and I hope he wakes up and rebuilds his reputation the way it should be done. No one cares about the attention his wife wants from her piggybacking off of his career. Let go and Just be Lou.
I love what you wrote here and I agree with his voice being a thing of beauty. I’m not quite sure what these others are talking about. I think they are going for attention or something or upset that they didn’t get attention. I love his voice and he still sounds great!
My last comment was intended for Mycena.
I came across this article. I have been a fan of Lou Gramm for as long as I can remember. I’ve seen him in Foreigner and I’ve seen him a few times recently in solo shows. He always puts on a great show. After reading it I read the comments afterwards. What the hell is this crap? Who do these people think they are? Jan, Joe A., and Mycena Ceillas, you are spot on! M. Jost, Abby, and Dee W., get a grip! Especially M. Jost! I’m disgusted. “Rebuilds his reputation”? WHAT? What planet did you just come off of?
Scar
Scar
Scarlett,
You are wrong if you think Lou is nice to his fans. And you are wrong about the whole “idealizing” of a man you only know because you like his singing. And you are wrong about me as is the comments about me. I am not the person who commented about anything but a comment about “age” Lou made. You have blinders and You are just jumping on the Band wagon. It is scary to think that you could possibly read these comments and believe that Jan and Joe A. are actually two people. This is a place where it should be about Lou and his fans. I did nothing wrong but as you see others here love to assinate characters just to be right. It is a sad day that they use Lou to do it. And if you venture out to see Lou sing you will see….he totally is not the singer he was. FACT. But as a fan I know he treats them poorly and always since 1979 has! That is the truth. I will never believe you except that you idealize the man because you dreamed him up as some great person because you heard him on the records and think he is famous. That is not knocking Lou, but being blunt about your offensive comments about me Scar!!! Or Scary I will call you from now on. Go live in your delusional world. I will never buy a Lou ticket or book or anything especially when his fans now erupt their hatred towards me. I am not less of a person then Lou. And he is not more of a person than me. And I hate that you don’t treat me with the same respect as a person as Lou just because you think he is more important. I am more important to me than Lou Gramm and my thoughts are important to me. So take your comments about my attention seeking and shove them..it is about “awareness” and you have missed that. You can cheer for Lou all you want BUT to knock me about LIES told here is really rude and pathetic. That is your behavior here not a name calling contest like the Jan and Joe A. (the same person) so very immaturely have done here. Stop trying to wreck my reputation on a whim Scarlett or I will have to send this to the source via an attorney. Get that?
You are one hostile individual M. Jost. What exactly do you think an attorney will do besides laugh at you? As far as “respecting” you, sorry your are not behaving respectfully therefore you do not deserve my respect. As for Lou Gramm who I have seen recently in concert, I respect him very much. As far as wrecking your reputation, you seem to be doing a great job with that all yourself, even if I had any desire to do that, which I do not, I wouldn’t have to, you hang yourself with your own rope. As far as thinking that two individuals are actually one person, that’s just weird. Jeez, I agree with Jan’s comment, seek help!
Scarey Scarlett, Again you are just bitter. Would you like to see what the police will say? I can comment even if you don’t like it. LOU SAID OLDER FANS DON’T GO TO SHOWS….YOU MUST NOT FIT INTO THAT CATAGORY. So are you being biased to older fans? Which is discriminatory. And you think I am bad???? You need to look in the mirror miss disrespectful and relearn your American freedoms. YOU COME ON HERE AND BASH just out of some dumb loyatly to a singer who you don’t know personally. And believe me they are just people too. You can respect him for doing nothing at all but did you really read this????For if you did you would see what a bash job he did on his own brother. He claims he is a Christain but that is not Christain behavior, nor is being biased. You are just like Jan and Joe A. You are a police investigator? you can speak for them too. Wow what alien world did you crawl up from under. See help Scarey. You are really in another world if you believe some stranger named Jan or Joe A. and the gossip they hatefully spread. Seek help like Abby said. I gave some other ways that Lou could have meant his comment and some butthead named Jan thinks she knows me and she doesn’t. So take that and cram it. Learn what respect means. And Learn the difference between opinion and facts.
And Scarey, I bet next you’re going say something really intelligent like…..Lou did not say that about fans????Right, it is in black and white print, but you are so blinded by the STAR status he has that you can not even see anything at all wrong about the comment. If he told you to jump off a bridge you would think that was great too and probably do just that. You are really starstruck!!! And probably not even named Scarlett. I don’t have to believe you at all and I don’t. I respect that you are a human being and you have rights but so do I. You really sound like someone else who has been hasseling me online along time. Hard to give any creedance to someone who will pick sides and try to fight and call names. Why not argue the fact that Lou said that and take his side not this gossip crap. Oh maybe because that is what Robyn would do?
Scarlett how can you say that thinking Jan and Joe A. is the same person is weird unless you are them? Obviously you know something about them. We’re not the ones needing to get a grip. Lou’s Songwriters Hall of Fame performance must of flopped for you to keep attacking his fans like that. Guess you didn’t have your way with Mick. Didn’t think you would anyway.
Are you two serious? I’m reluctantly replying to these above comments.
I have no reason to believe Jan, Joe, and Mycena are not who they are posting as and no I do not know them. I do agree with their sentiments.
The name calling because I do not agree with the hostile comments from M. Jost, I find it hard to believe that this is from an adult. Maybe this person is a child? It’s hard to tell but she did mention being married at one point. And for the comment about “Mick” I am speechless. I don’t know how to respond to that but can say it disgusts me.
I’m not sure why these two individuals feel the need to attack anyone who responds positively to the article and Lou Gramm and I agree with Jan, obviously this person is in need of help. I can care less about his riff with his brother. That’s a family matter. Many families don’t get along.
M. Jost, it appears that you have twisted Lou Gramms words in this interview to fit your hostile agenda. I was not offended in the least by what he said. And BTW the only thing scary on this is the reactions. Go ahead M. Jost and talk to the police. They will laugh at you along with any attorney. I’m sure they have more pressing issues to deal with other than someone not agreeing with your hostile remarks. You seem awfully tough behind that keyboard. You must not have much control over your life to feel the need to attack people over the Internet. Your defensive remarks wreak of a woman in crisis. It’s sad.
Now judging from everything above I’m betting that I will next be accused of being someone else. That is very paranoid thinking. All of those comments are nothing but silly. Silly, silly children who are out of control.
I don’t even let words from people I know eat away at me. I’m happy that I have this attitude. It must be awful to be controlled by a musician’s words-that have been twisted. Phew! Glad that’s not me!
Scar
One more comment, I MUST BE BITTER? Really now. I think you should re-read all the moronic comments you have written. You are the only one who has replied here that is bitter.
Scarlett nobody said that you were Mycena. Are you saying that you are? I must say you’re not good at this hiding behind fake profiles. And we’re not the ones attacking. If you read the comments above you’ll see who started attacking first. Or maybe you’re like Lou who points the finger at others and fails to see his own faults. Two peas in a pod who deserve each other.
Scarey you are the one coming on here ragging on me. I just commented on the last comment of the article. And someone named Jan who I don’t know calling me by my formal name claims all these horrible lies about me. And you like that sentiment. That is my whole complaint and you are siding with that mentality. And YOU claimed they are correct and YOU called me disgusting. It is completely immature for Jan to say what she did and make this whole thing about me. Get over your starstruck ideals and maybe you will see that. Point your fingers back at yourself, none of your explaination makes sense because you are taking sides and not talking about the article at all. You need to seek help. I don’t have to explain myself to someone I don’t believe is sensitive to others and that would be you. Who goes online and tells people that someone is just making comments because they are scorned over a guitarist. Especially when it is so very far from the truth. And then knows my LEgal name. They are pointing fingers at me with lies and you act like that is sentimentally okay. Something is total wrong with you. Don’t comment to me any more because you are heartless and not possibly able to understand anyone with maturity.
I really can care less about your woes. I am completely disgusted by your endless barrage of hostile comments thrown at anyone who has positive feelings towards Lou Gramm or had good experiences at his shows. Heartless? Hardly. I have no “star struck ideals”. I admire the man for his work, like millions of other people around the globe. Again, I completely agree with the sentiments of those above in regards to your behavior. You are hostile and out of control and quite childish. For example, calling me “Scary”. And you have the nerve to call ME immature? Making ridiculous threats to call an attorny and the police because I do not agree with you (Go ahead by the way. PLEASE go ahead so someone else can tell you how out of control you are.) And judging from your hostility and defensiveness, I’m betting that what is being said about you is in fact truth. I hope you find your happy place instead of spreading your negativity and hostility.
Disgusting behavior, utterly disgusting. You should be ashamed!
Hey Scarlett what a fake fan you are, you post in one of your comments that “Lou Gramm and I (meaning you) agree with Jan” if you are only a fan how do you know Lou Gramm agrees with Jan??? and secondly maybe you should go back and reread Jan’s first comment, so you and Lou Gramm agree with Jan hu?”Jan’s comment had nothing to do with the article or anything that Jo had said in her posts infact Jan’s comment was completely off the wall and complete bashing! Jan is obviously not a real fan and after reading the hateful remarks she made about Lou’s brother Richard proves she is also a fake and you should be ashamed of yourself!
Proves that Lou’s friends and families love to bash his fans. Just like my comment about him bashing older fans for not going and younger fans for not getting the REAL Foreinger experience. `Which means him singing for Foreinger”. And comparing Lou’s family to Jan’s saying all families act like that…..is not true….not all families have celebrity brothers. So it is like comparing apples to oranges??? All these supportive fan comments of Lou’s here have one thing in common, they bash fans who Lou’s wife doesn’t like. And I would never make a fake site to bash my husband’s co workers or fans and harrass them continuely. Everything all these comments have one common theme, the person hates fans of Lou’s and the person seems to know Lou way more then they say. And they think they know me more then me. lol
Well said Dee. I guess with “Scarlett’s” split personality she forgets what she said and who she said it as. Oh well. She digs herself deeper with each post. She keeps proving our point.
You read that wrong. It wasn’t “Lou Gramm and I”. It was “and I agree with Jan.” I have no idea what Lou Gramm thinks. What I do know is how he performs and how he sings. He is influential to many, many vocalists. He is deserving of respect for his part in music history. All this accusing people of being-who ever you want to think-is way out in left field. You are out of control. Reign it in. Maybe you will find happiness.
Lou Gramm said absolutely nothing offensive in this interview. I guess I will leave this hostile “conversation” with the thankfulness I do not live with such hostility, bitterness, and anger in my life. How unfortunate it is that you do. You must feel so small in your everyday life, small and insignificant, just like your hostile remarks.
Scar
No, you read that wrong! I read what you wrote, you better reread your own comment “ninth line from your comment posted on June 16th” and where do you get that I have anger and bitterness in my life? and what hostile remarks did I say? I only repeated what you and Jan posted.
As for Lou Gramm being offensive, Jo posted that she felt Lou was being offensive to older fans by saying “that the older original fans don’t go to concerts anymore and only young fans who don’t know the difference go” that statement by Lou is so not true, as I have been to many concerts and there are many fans there who are in their 50s and 60s.
As for Jan “she was not posting a positive comment about Lou gramm she posted a slanders comment about another fan (Jo) why would you agree with Jan’s comment? gee if anyone is full of bitterness it is Jan, Joe A. and you, go back and reread Jan’s and Joe A.s and your comments and you will see what I mean.
Have a nice day!
Excuse me Dee? The comment was, “I’m not sure why these two individuals feel the need to attack anyone who responds positively to the article and Lou Gramm and I agree with Jan, obviously this person is in need of help.”
Let me break it down for you since you are struggling with common sentence structure.
“I’m not sure why these two individuals feel the need to attack anyone who responds positively to the article and Lou Gramm” part one of the sentence. When someone uses AND such as I have, it is adding to the sentence. Here is the second part of the sentence, get ready, OK, are you ready?
“AND I agree with Jan, obviously this person is in need of help.”
Oh, and by the way, your use of quotations is very incorrect as well. I hope this clears up any confusion with sentence structure.
And to address the “older fans” comment Lou Gramm made in the interview, I am older and was not offended by the least.
All the comments by M. Jost are hostile, bitter, and attacking of anyone who disagrees with her or sees her behavior as inappropriate and very off. To further the mess she is making, she continues with her bitterness and hostile comments, she also resorts to name calling which is incredibly immature and defensive (AT BEST!). I also find it peculiar that you three are calling yourselves fans. The last time I checked, a fan is actually someone who has respect for the person and does not put down that person or the work the person creates.
YOU have a good day. I suppose you will argue that with me too. What ever floats your boat!
Excuse me Scarlett, the use of and & and like that is not common sentence structure. And no that does not clear up any confusion, I wasn’t confused you wrote it incorrect.
Well I guess you are one of those older fans that don’t go to concerts anymore! everyone is entitled to their opinion, Jo was offended by Lou Gramm’s statement and you were not, that is not a reason for Jan to post slanderous comments about Jo because she did not like Jo’s opinion. If Jan were a real person she would have posted her own opinion.
Jan even posted smug remarks about Lou’s brother Richard, now what REAL fan would have done that?
BTW I did not post that I am a fan, I am a friend of Richard!
Being a fan of Lou Gramms doesn’t mean that you can not disagree with A solo comment. I could have went off about his comments about his brother also and I did not. I don’t agree with it as does many others, but for Jan to come on her and spull her hatred NOT ME about me suspicious that I am just scorned is BULLYING. And I know that Jan had to not just be a fan of Lous to attack me like that. Jan knows me personal Legal name. What fan of Lou’s would know that???? You need to learn the term BULLYING it is not defined as “agreeing with everything LOu Gramm says out of respect”. I feel he was being disrespectful to his fans saying that. And only two members of LOu Gramm band know my real name….LOU and HIS WIFE. And Lou’s wife likes to cause trouble for fans who don’t kiss her butt and treat her like she herself IS the LOu Gramm of the past. I never stated Lou doesn’t deserve his musical repute. I am talking about Lou’s lack of consideration for his fans. And don’t tell me who and who can not be a fan that is exactly why Denise and I are not as much of fans now with Lou Gramm. HIS WIFE thinks it is her decision to tell me if I am or if I am not a fan. I AM THE ONLY PERSON WHO CAN MAKE THAT DECISSION. But you Scarlett and Jan and Joe and whom ever you will be next talk just like HIS WIFE who considers herself the sole say on that issue. Being a fan is not being ignorant to the fact that Lou is a man first and formost. His accomplishments are secondary. And if that were not true then all you who say”don’t talk about his personaly life would not have a case. Scarlett if you are not Lou’s Wife coming on here to put me in my place, then her hatred has spread to you and that is scary. And what ever prompted you to come on here to defend him anyway and attack me personally and then say “I don’t care about Jo” is really the opposite of what you are doing. I have to laugh at the indignacy that you and the so called accepted fans think you have by being so self righteous coming on here and bashing those that you feel are not living up to the expectations you think I or Denise should have of Lou Gramm. You are so starstruck and so perfect you think you can judge me for not saying what you would to a comment Lou made. Whoopie. That doesn’t make me mean, or disgusting or scorned from a guitarist. You can say what you want here online but it doesn’t make it offical or true.
And Scarlett to come on here and say we are not fans because we don’t talk like, act like or look like LOU Gramm fans is very scarey because that is what discrimination is all about. Not liking others. And that is what you and Jan and Joe and Mycena have done here …..comment control….you think you should be the police or boss of it. So there is no hatred except that hatred…YOURS about how you concieved the comments you read and then you brand me for that. You don’t talk about it maturally you just bash and bully. And I think you believe that you are being bashed if Lou is not perfectly what you dream him to be. And if you hear differently you lash out. Wow that is a sad place to be.
Lol, my goodness. My, my, my goodness. No one is bullying you dear, it is you who is ranting on and on (and on and on and on). Each rant becoming stranger than the last. No one has attacked you. What I, and others on here have done is comment on your out of control behavior, the ranting, the name calling, stating how Lou Gramm should or should not state his words in an interview, becoming defensive and hostile to anyone who is commenting on your ridiculous rants. And yes, the rants are ridiculous. You like to make drama and the cry about it don’t you? I am getting quite a picture of the situation, that’s for sure. I’m going to go out on a limb here M and state that maybe, just maybe, Lou and his wife have no idea who you are. I’m sure they have much more going on in their life and have no time for your antics, The picture that is emerging is of a very bitter and jealous individual. Even commenting on “accepted fans”. Yes, it is obvious that you are scorned for what ever reason. And please save it as I have no interest. I came on here because I read the article and the proceeding replies. I felt compelled, as it seems others have, to respond to your hostile spewing words. And Jan probably knew your name from another site. It appears that a couple have seen you on other sites. I assume that you have done the same ranting. What is your obsession with Lou Gramm? I’m sure this ranting and obsessive thinking is why people are telling you to seek help. I agree. That’s what happens when you behave in the way you have. People see it and form an opinion and the more out of control you act, the stronger you set this opinion in other people’s minds. And yes, I find it completely disgusting.
Discrimination? You just love to cry victim. I suggest you speak with those who have experienced discrimination. Your suggesting that people are being discriminatory against you is an insult to those who have actually experienced that.
No one is being hateful or bullying, just responding to your hostility.
Dee, lol, OK.
There would not be a comma after the name Dd had I been signing my name dear. I am not attempting to insult you. I am stating my reaction to your moronic replies. You are not very bright btw.
I wonder why Scarlett signed her post with Dee’s name. I find that very disturbing.
I didn’t sign with Dee’s name. That was a comment. You are reaching aren’t you.
That’s no comment. Anyone can see that it’s a signature.
Hey moron, in response to Dee’s asinine comment I replied, “Dee, LOL, OK”
Still stuck in the childish phase of name calling I see. I also see what your signature says. No need to keep signing it. And by the way your attempts at insulting me are weakening with each post.
There would not be a comma after the name Dd had I been signing my name dear. I am not attempting to insult you. I am stating my reaction to your moronic replies. You are not very bright btw.
Neither are you if you can’t see that name calling is a form of trying to insult. It could be fully insulting but it doesn’t affect me other than make me laugh. And if your comment about Dee was actually a comment it would be an actual sentence not a signature.
And all of you Lou haters name call! You blurt out the stupidest shit and then cry “poor me, you are calling me names!” Look in the mirror. Most of you guys can’t even spell.
Lee I mean Robyn what does spelling have to do with any of this? I’d rather misspell a word or two or maybe even have a bunch of typos then to spread vicious lies about people especially my own brother like Lou has. And nobody on here said that we hated him. It’s ok to disagree with something. For example I disagree with a lot of what you do but it doesn’t mean that I hate you. I see you also disagree with a lot of what I say and that’s ok. Doesn’t mean you hate me right?
Abby, I don’t hate you. i just don’t understand why you spend SO much time spouting about things that have little to do with you. I guess you are passionate. Help me understand. I speak up and I get called a liar or perhaps Lou’s wife in disguise.
Dear Abby,
Sorry you are so troubled. I hope you eventually get the help you need. I am sorry you are having difficulty understanding statements on people’s comments. Maybe if you go back to school you would have less time to be obsessed with a man whom you do not know, will probably never know (I hope for his sake!), and who is apparently very happily married.
Now watch, this is me signing my post. Get ready.
Scar
Robyn as Lee you have no idea how much this has to do with me because you don’t know me. But I accept your apology and thank you for understanding anyway. Robyn as Scarlett I’m very well educated. In fact I actually graduated from high school with others my age believe it or not. Sorry to disappoint you but the only man I’m obsessed with is my boyfriend and you know nothing about him. But I’ll let you in on something. He actually pays attention to me. So I don’t need any help. I’m doing very well on my own. But I’ll accept your apology too.
Your limb broke. Just because you think it isn’t so doesn’t leave me with any lasting thing to say. You will argue with me until I die. You waste my time. Pretentious know it alls like you are just boring and unwilling to see the truth because your starstruck. Your points are lame and derailing and you are not Judge Judy to change anything. Put pressure on people who are not dots in your eyes. And you are hateful and hostile IMO. As a matter of fact I have been discriminated against and you are a dope for throwing out these come backs. And you insult me thinking you know all and can speak for me who has been discriminated against!!! So because you don’t know me you blindly make comments and then deny any response. I wish Lou the best and I wish he would reword the comment about fans. That is all. I suggest you be careful here becasue you are stepping into a gray area you know nothing about. And Dee is smart and she caught your flub up!!! And your response was critiquing a grammer or spelling error. What a none committal response that derails her. If that is all you got is pointing you bullying finger at me or Denise with your own pompous selfrighteousness wow-pow to you. You got us good. You make us look bad. You have the last word. You are so awesome to put people down online. Especially when you evidence is a grammer and spelling error. You did say in print “Lou Gramm and I” not us. Go thump you chest now and feel as important as you believe you are. I can not measure up to your greatness and don’t want too. Go have a “everyone wants to me day” , because you now deserve it for putting pressure on the “bad people” beneath your greatness oh queen of the comments. ~rolling my eyes forever~
You make yourself look bad. You don’t need any help from me Hon.
Ditto. Thank You for the comments!!! I will file these under trash.
Oh, and as far as “being careful”-??? A threat maybe?
I suppose if someone is defensive, such as yourself, anything can be twisted, but the facts remain, here in black and white, that the only one showing hostility is you, and it’s in a very immature manner.
I wish for you at some point you get the help that you need. Walking around with anger and hostility in the way that you are is going to eat you alive from the inside out. Good luck in living in that blackness. I don’t think I would wish that on my worst enemy. It’s such a terrible waste of energy. Maybe if you fill your life with meaning you wouldn’t be so concerned with the words of a musician who, I’m sure, doesn’t even know you. He has millions of fans I’m sure and it’s doubtful that he knows even 1%. That’s the way it is.
Musicians put out music and put on performances. That’s their job. People who like their music buy the music and go to the musician’s shows. That is as reciprocal as it needs to be and for people who have a centeredness in their lives, that is enough. Although I personally have not met Lou Gramm I know a couple people who have. These people who I know felt he was a very nice and gracious man. I will go with their words rather than an obviously bitter and scornful individual’s.
Take care and I’m sure the help you need is only a phone call and appointment away.
Scar
Hey Scar, what the hell are you doing??? you posted enough shit on here to last a life time, YAWN!
Classy Dee. By the way, the first word of a sentence is capitalized, just for future reference.
Scarlett I thought you were leaving. I guess you got too bored and decided to critique people’s writing. I guess I’d do the same thing if I was married to a boring husband. hErE cRiTiQuE tHiS.
Married to a boring husband, that’s interesting. I have never mentioned being married.
I am responding to the ridiculous comments. If you don’t like it or can’t handle it, then you shouldn’t have spewed your negativity to begin with, you know what they say, if you can’t stand the heat…
Oh, and by the way-it’s a public forum.
In other words Lou lied to the whole public. I take this personally so yes he lied to me.
As mentioned before many times read the comments again and you will see that you… or shall I say you disguised as Jan spewed the negativity first. And yes it’s a public forum where people such as us have the right to tell the real story. If you don’t like it don’t read it. I find it interesting how you think Lou Gramm has millions of fans. Have you seen his fan page on Facebook? Barely in the thousands. And for him to not even know 1%? What is he a recluse who doesn’t know anyone? Reality check he’s human just like us. He’s bound to know some people.
You Lou haters really have issues. What I find a little funny but more, I guess disturbing would be the right word, is that you think anyone who comments about the hostile comments made by M. Jost, Dee W. and you are from the same person. I can only speak for myself. I am just one person. Instead, it may be it is from people seeing your vile attacking comments and are speaking out about those comments. I find the comments to not only be hostile, but extremely paranoid.
And yes, a man with a career as successful and long lasting as Lou Gramm most likely has millions of fans around the globe and I highly doubt he knows a fraction of them. That’s the way it is. It seems to me that you three obviously feel you are more important than you actually are in regards to Mr. Gramm’s career (or maybe just want to be which is why you are so bitter and scorned). If you are unhappy that you did not get the attention from this man that you feel you deserve (hand palm to forehead), maybe you should go with another artist, the result will be the same but maybe it will sink in then. And your hostile remarks are more humorous than anything else (as well as sick). You have no impact on my feelings about this man’s talent. He is an inspiration.
If you go on a public forum and spew poison, be prepared for people to state something about that poison. If YOU don’t like that than keep your poison to yourself. If you are not going to keep your poison to yourself, well then, you are going to take on heat from people who do not agree with you and obviously, from Jan’s comments, I assume you have done this on other sites. Facebook has been mentioned, you must be on Facebook doing this as well. And let me guess, anyone who speaks out against you is the same person, right? Ridiculous. Oh, and by the way, Facebook is not the end all, be all of artists. I don’t look at how many “friends” are on someone’s page, I look at their successful career. Lou Gramm has a career that has spanned over three plus decades. I can care less about a Facebook page.
It must be awful to carry around such hate and loathing inside. Your life must me so empty if you have this much time and hostile energy to put towards a musician. Get a grip. You look foolish, pathetic, and paranoid. I believe there is medication that can help. Seek help.
Scar
And now you’re advocating drugs. That explains everything.
I’m a big Lou Gramm fan, and I find many of these comments about this good interview disturbing. Some people do need to find a hobby or something. Many of you complaining about Lou and his personal life just like to complain. if you aren’t fans, move on. And remember, when you put something out on the internet, there it will always remain. Life is too short to complain and whine about things, and to be honest, many of you here just look plain silly. Noone is perfect, and there are at least 2 sides to every story. So think positive, find the good in people, and move forward. Life is too short for all the drama.
Amen!!!
Anyone with the slightest amount of intellect understands what was meant, and if unsure all that person would have to do is read the paranoid rants of M. Jost, Dee W., and you Abby, it can’t be clearer. There is no “advocating” illegal drugs but if there is someone who needs psychotropic drugs due to psychotic and or paranoid episodes, then it’s a good idea to seek help from a professional who will work with said person with psychotic and paranoid episodes using psychotropics and talk therapy. Mental health can be a phone call away. Do society a favor, try it out.
Sorry but I don’t take advice from random strangers who know nothing about me or my mental status. I highly doubt you’re even qualified to give this kind of advice. For all I know you like to think everybody else is coo coo just to distract from your own alien abductions and nervous breakdowns. And Lee if life is too short for drama then why get involved? Jo, Dee and I are just telling the truth from our viewpoint. We know what goes on behind the scenes. If you guys don’t want to know that’s fine. Just don’t hate because you don’t agree. That goes for Scarlett and all her other identities too.
I hope you find the help you so sadly seem to need.
Living with petty anger isnt living.
I wish you nothing but the best
Paranoid freak…
I, nor I doubt anyone one else on this site, is more than one person.
As far as the “truth”, that is entirely subjective. Your mental health issues ring loud and clear.
Get a hobby or a therapist. It’s funny, that has been said repeatedly and it is going right over your head. And for drama, M. Jost should have her own soap opera.
Disgraceful people.
Hey Scarlett “yeah I’ll call you Scarlett but I know your real name” your the one who is paranoid here, just because we don’t think Lou gramm is the GREATIST singer in the world and we don’t drool over him and we think that spending $295.00 to meet him is outrageous (and I have met Lou for free and know that $295.00 is way to much) and because we refuse to bow down and kiss his feet just because he is a FAMOUS PERSON and agree to everything he says… “that we are disturbed and need mental help” and because Lou is a so called “celebrity” you think he is not a lier…well Lou lost the court case against his brother “why don’t you read the post by Richard and let it SINK in to your think scull” and read the post by Tina “everything she said is true”
I don’t hate Lou Gramm I just don’t think he is a very nice person and I will not support him!
He has hurt a lot of people “Family, friends and fans” and if you wish to support him that’s up to you! but I wont and neither will a lot of others.
So if you are not a fan, why BOTHER reading any interviews and why bother responding? You act like such a child. The funny part of this is that you dont even have the sense to be embarrassed by what you say here. You see an interview and feel it is your duty to set people straight as to how someone (Lou) REALLY is and respond with such negative comments? Not only do you feel the need to whine about Lou, but you find it necessary to insult anyone here who happens to LIKE Lou and his music. I could give a rat’s ass about how Lou or his team treated you. If someone in life treated you badly, that is unfortunate. Life isn’t fair. Lou and his team are HUMAN. You act as if Lou supposed to treat you with such admiration because you were once such a loyal fan. He doesn’t owe any of us ANYTHING. He is a human being. He has faults, as we all do.
I’m here to read about Lou and his life, to learn more about his journey and to enjoy his music. You just can’t get past the fact that Lou has been an inspiration to many through his journey and through his music. So he isn’t perfect? YOU ARE SHITTING ME! I should listen to you, believe that Lou is an ass and not be a fan any longer? Good luck with that. It’s none of my business what Lou has or has not done. I choose to be positive in life. See the good in people. Learn from mistakes. Being horrified by so-called-accounts of how you were treated by a famous person is not in my top 20.
We ALL have demons. We all stumble. We all have not-so-proud-moments. How would you like it if people bashed YOU for not being perfect? Your mission to disgrace Lou and his name is failing, and it KILLS you. You don’t have any power here. So stop acting like a preschooler and move on with your life.
I shake my head at you. I’m almost embarrassed for you.
Take a breath and go bother another famous person and his/her family. And good luck with that.
Yes!!!!